tshuab qeej thiab lwm yam

[long]

Are there any book on how to "tshuab qeej"? Nej leej twg puas paub qhov twg
muaj ntawv qhia yus tshuab qeej thiab los yog kawm tshuab qeej. Tsis tas li
ntawv, nej puas paub qhov twg muaj ntawv sau txog hmoob tej kab tshoob kev
kos, kev nta dab nta quab, thiab lwm yam? Yog muaj no kuv xav tau coj los
cia es thaum twg muaj sijhawm ces tau muab coj los kawm thiab.

[Xeng Yang]

Long,
Good luck finding any books on txoj kev tshuab qeej. I looked for
quite a while for such a book but found any. You might just want to
ask around in your community to see if anyone teaches. I know for a
fact there is an old yawg that teaches qeej lessons in Madison, WI,
but I have no idea of other areas. If you live near Madison, let me
know and I will tell you how to contact that guy.

Xeng

Post by long
Are there any book on how to "tshuab qeej"? Nej leej twg puas paub qhov twg
muaj ntawv qhia yus tshuab qeej thiab los yog kawm tshuab qeej. Tsis tas li
ntawv, nej puas paub qhov twg muaj ntawv sau txog hmoob tej kab tshoob kev
kos, kev nta dab nta quab, thiab lwm yam? Yog muaj no kuv xav tau coj los
cia es thaum twg muaj sijhawm ces tau muab coj los kawm thiab.

[Xeng Yang]

Charlie,
Again, your own lack of logic betrays you. First of all, I never
said the qeej wasn't Hmong, I only pointed out that since other
ethnicities use the qeej (lusheng, etc.) that its true origin is
unascertainable. Just because we don't know the true origin of the
qeej doesn't mean we shouldn't study it as part of Hmong culture. The
qeej IS part of Hmong culture, regardless of its origin. Should you
seek more information on this subject feel free to consult my earlier
posts on the matter. As for the love song, while first of all I am
flattered that you are willing to zam txim rau kuv and that I am
apparently your "tus hlub" I must say that I am very much married and
not interested in an illicit relationship, especially with a man. You
should be singing these songs to your wife, my friend.

Xeng

Xeeb,
I recall you said clearly that the "qeej" is not a Hmong instrument.
Why would you place an interest of this significance? Did you get
tired of disguising as a Mabdawb already? Welcome home! I'm sure
you've heard of a Hmong song which goes,,, "tus kuv hlub rov qab los
mog, rov qab los koom lub neej tshiab. Txoj kev hlub tseem nyob ruaj
nrees, yuav tsis seev mus tag ib txhi. Koj tau ncaim kuv mus lawm los
yog rov los kuv yuav zam txim rau koj...." If you like I can sen you
a copy... It's good for a Vain Jackdaw that likes to disguise as a
bird he's not.
Charlie

Post by Xeng Yang
Long,
Good luck finding any books on txoj kev tshuab qeej. I looked for
quite a while for such a book but found any. You might just want to
ask around in your community to see if anyone teaches. I know for a
fact there is an old yawg that teaches qeej lessons in Madison, WI,
but I have no idea of other areas. If you live near Madison, let me
know and I will tell you how to contact that guy.
Xeng

Post by long
Are there any book on how to "tshuab qeej"? Nej leej twg puas paub qhov twg
muaj ntawv qhia yus tshuab qeej thiab los yog kawm tshuab qeej. Tsis tas li
ntawv, nej puas paub qhov twg muaj ntawv sau txog hmoob tej kab tshoob kev
kos, kev nta dab nta quab, thiab lwm yam? Yog muaj no kuv xav tau coj los
cia es thaum twg muaj sijhawm ces tau muab coj los kawm thiab.

[Tzexa Lee]

Long,

Mine is very basic and is not a book yet. Qeng for Beginners. You do
not need me to present or hear me tshuab. The problem is you may not
have the qeng that has correct tones. About one out of six qeng has
correct tones.

Tzexa

Kuv tsis nyob St. Paul tabsis thaum twg tau mus txog no mam mus saib lub khw
ntawd. Koj puas paub lub address yog licas nab?
Koj paub tshuab qeej thiab lov? Nws puas nyuaj thiab os.

Long,
Kuv paub muaj thiab los mas. I don't know where you live. But in
Minnesota. You can find Hmong history books and Hmong cultural books
(kab lig kev cai) ranging from kab tshoob kev kos to funeral ritual at
the Hmong ABC store in St. Paul.
Ho hais txog ntawv tshuab qeej (qeej notes) kuj muaj thiab tab sis
lawv tseem tsis tau tau muaj muag. Yog koj mus kawm ces lawv mam muab
rau koj xwb. Kuj muaj ib tug xibhwb nyob St. Paul kuj kam muag nws
cov thiab siv sub. Tab sis nws kam muaj 3 phau (3 sessions) Ib phau
yog muag $250. Yog koj kawm no ces yog $750.00 thiab phau ntawv
include lawm.
Just for your info. yog koj saib phau ntawv xwb koj yeej tshuab tsis
tau.
Yuav tsum yog mus mloog tus xibhwb tshuab tag mam saib ntawv tshuab
mas thiaj tau. I did it and I know how it works.
-Cha.

Post by long
Are there any book on how to "tshuab qeej"? Nej leej twg puas paub qhov

twg

Post by long
muaj ntawv qhia yus tshuab qeej thiab los yog kawm tshuab qeej. Tsis

tas li

Post by long
ntawv, nej puas paub qhov twg muaj ntawv sau txog hmoob tej kab tshoob

kev

Post by long
kos, kev nta dab nta quab, thiab lwm yam? Yog muaj no kuv xav tau coj

los

Post by long
cia es thaum twg muaj sijhawm ces tau muab coj los kawm thiab.

[Tsujsua Dluag]

bro..

hais txog hmoob kev li kev cais, books won't do you any good. maybe
cov "zaj" is ok to be learned from a book...but as for "knowing" how to
perform the "ritual" itself, the best way is to "nqis tes ua kiag..."
qhov no thiaj yuav ua tau...and this is from "experience"..

ua ntej yuav ua txiv qeej, koj yuav tsum kawm kom tau cov ntiv pib.
kawm tau cov ntiv pib no tag lawm, koj yuav tsum kawm cov zaj thiab
cov ntiv nrog cov zaj.

cov ntiv qeej muaj li no:
1) ntiv pib
2) ntiv noob nrws
3) ntiv lwm ncej nruag
4) ntiv xub ntau caug
5) ntiv miv xub
6) niam xub
7) me pluag
8) me noob nrws
9) niam noob nrws
10) niam pluag
11) kab kev tuag
12) tw luav/nruam
13) ntiv plig
4) ntiv nyuj dab
15) niam pluas

niam xub, niam noob nrws, niam plug and tw luav are the hardest to learn
and they are probably the most respected.

as for cov "type" of qeej
1) qeej tuag
2) qeej tshoob
3) qeej noj tsiab
4) qeej tsa hauv toj
5)qeej plig
6) qeej nyuj dab

cov tshoob los kuj yoojyim kawg thiab. cov zaj are very easy to learn.
the hard part is "nqis tes ua." you will learn that even though one
teacher taught you one thing, you will probably have to "change" that
one little thing to "fit" the current situation when koj ua mej koob.
but, take it from me, yog koj xav kawm tiag, xob kawm hauv ntawv, you
will be so confused and lost.

to answer your question, look into ywjpheej's bookstore in MN. he
should have more books than anyone in the US about these things.
however, i have not seen any books on "teaching how to play" the qeej.
hais txog cov zaj mas muaj ntau heev.

this site is also a learning center...if you have questions..contact me.
i also teach teach and tshoob (and soemtiems txiv xaiv) to people.

yaweh

[long]

Kuv yeej paub tsis tau txog tias qeej xyov muaj peb tsawg zaj thiab cov zaj
no yuav siv tau rau yam twg. Yog lis koj hais mas kuj muaj ntau thiab laiv
yom. Yog yuav kawm kom ua tau txiv qeej mas nyob li kuv mas ntshe yuav tsi
khws vim tias yuav siv lub sijhawm ntev. Tsuas yog xav paub nyob rau ntawd
xwb kom ho tau tshuab thaum uas yus xav tshuab xwb.

Nej cov uas twb paub tshuab lawm kuj ua ib co CD los yog VHS qhia tshuab
qeej los pob? Kuv xav mas yog nej muab zaj qeej hais tag ces muab tshuab
thiab qhia txog tias zaj qeej no yog siv rau lub sijhawm twg los yog rau yam
twg. Li no kuv xav mas cov uas kawm los kuj to taub zoo thiab kawm tau sai
dua, tsis tag li los nej kuj tau nyiaj thiab. Yog yuav saib ntawv kawm xwb
mas yeej nyuaj heev vim tias yus tsuas paub cov lus xwb tiamsis tsis paub
lub suab xyov yog nrov li cas.


Long

Post by Tsujsua Dluag
bro..
hais txog hmoob kev li kev cais, books won't do you any good. maybe
cov "zaj" is ok to be learned from a book...but as for "knowing" how to
perform the "ritual" itself, the best way is to "nqis tes ua kiag..."
qhov no thiaj yuav ua tau...and this is from "experience"..
ua ntej yuav ua txiv qeej, koj yuav tsum kawm kom tau cov ntiv pib.
kawm tau cov ntiv pib no tag lawm, koj yuav tsum kawm cov zaj thiab
cov ntiv nrog cov zaj.
1) ntiv pib
2) ntiv noob nrws
3) ntiv lwm ncej nruag
4) ntiv xub ntau caug
5) ntiv miv xub
6) niam xub
7) me pluag
8) me noob nrws
9) niam noob nrws
10) niam pluag
11) kab kev tuag
12) tw luav/nruam
13) ntiv plig
4) ntiv nyuj dab
15) niam pluas
niam xub, niam noob nrws, niam plug and tw luav are the hardest to learn
and they are probably the most respected.
as for cov "type" of qeej
1) qeej tuag
2) qeej tshoob
3) qeej noj tsiab
4) qeej tsa hauv toj
5)qeej plig
6) qeej nyuj dab
cov tshoob los kuj yoojyim kawg thiab. cov zaj are very easy to learn.
the hard part is "nqis tes ua." you will learn that even though one
teacher taught you one thing, you will probably have to "change" that
one little thing to "fit" the current situation when koj ua mej koob.
but, take it from me, yog koj xav kawm tiag, xob kawm hauv ntawv, you
will be so confused and lost.
to answer your question, look into ywjpheej's bookstore in MN. he
should have more books than anyone in the US about these things.
however, i have not seen any books on "teaching how to play" the qeej.
hais txog cov zaj mas muaj ntau heev.
this site is also a learning center...if you have questions..contact me.
i also teach teach and tshoob (and soemtiems txiv xaiv) to people.
yaweh
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[sup-man]

Does matter what age it is? as long as the other respect the kids or their
old man, they will let him play.

Hmong brothers,
I have another related question that some of you might be able to help
me think through. In traditional society, by what age do Hmong boys
usually know enough qeej to perform (practice) at an actual funeral?
Would a boy under ten (say six to eight years old) be able to perform
a qeej at a funeral already? Perhaps some of you can provide some
approximations by asking your fathers or grandfathers who know qeej
well.
You may wonder why I ask. I am trying to establish the age of a man.
He said he was among those who played qeej at Lauj Kiab Toom's funeral
as a young boy.
-M

[Tzexa Lee]

Hmong brothers,
I have another related question that some of you might be able to help
me think through. In traditional society, by what age do Hmong boys
usually know enough qeej to perform (practice) at an actual funeral?
Would a boy under ten (say six to eight years old) be able to perform
a qeej at a funeral already? Perhaps some of you can provide some
approximations by asking your fathers or grandfathers who know qeej
well.
You may wonder why I ask. I am trying to establish the age of a man.
He said he was among those who played qeej at Lauj Kiab Toom's funeral
as a young boy.
-M

Mai Na,

Hmong traditional society did not emphasize the age of the learners,
but the cost of the qengs. Qent was so expensive that a typical Hmong
family could afford to buy one for their young boy. Most boys could
not get access to qeng until their teens. However, txiv qeej's son/s
could get access to qeng as early he wanted to or was forced to,
usaully at age six or seven. By the age of eight or nine, he could
help his dad play at the funeral (in training).

There was a story of a fully decorated sixteen year old txiv qeej, but
even a thawj txiv qeej.

Hope this help you.

Tzexa

[Tsujsua Dluag]

maina..

there is no restrictions on age. my youngest student is 9. When he
started, he was 7...right now, he's playing at funerals (nws tsi tau ua
tau txiv qeej). I'm expecting him to be ready for txiv qeej role at
about 11 or by next year. My youngest student to be a txiv qeej is 15.
he started when he was 13. My oldest student to be txiv qeej is
older than i am (he's 40). as for myself, i didnt' start until i was in
high school. pib ua txiv qeej around 18...but of course, i have been
helping my father for years before txiv qeej role.

hais txog ua txiv qeej ces, age is not an issue. however, muaj ib cov
qeej hu ua "qeej nruam/tw luav" and "niam xub/pluag" for qeej pam tuag.
cov qeej no yog qeej foom, tej laus yeej hais tias "yog tsi tau muaj
nyab or tsi tau qua ntxhais," ces tsi zoo tshuab cov qeej no rau xyom
cuab. Yus txawm txawj npaum cas los yog txog hnub ua qhua lawm, yog
tias yus tseem hluas heev ces yus xob tshuab cov qeej no. similar to
txiv xaiv, yog tias yus lub neej tsi tau tiav, yus tsi zoo ua tus thawj
txiv xaiv. yog yus pab xwb los tau, temsis ua tsi tau tus thawj. Hais
txog qeej los yus tshuab tau qeej dog dig xwb, xob tshuab qeej foom.

back in laos, i also heard from my father, that there were two txiv qeej
who happened to be women (somewhere in northern laos)...ob tus pojniam
no lub npe twb nrov txog moospheeb tebchaws lawm....

hope this answer your questions

yaweh

[Tsujsua Dluag]

long..

cov zaj muas muaj puas puas zaj xwb...hais txog "yam ntiv" mas muaj
tsawg tsawg li piv no xib...

ib zaj qeej mas yuav tsum tshuab 3 nti...ib nti tshuab 2 lwm. tagnrho
yog 6 lwm (this is why it seems so long).

yaweh

[M. M. Lee]

Txawj Xab, Yag Hawj, and others,

Thank you for the answer to my question. Again, I am asking not
because I am interested in taboos against age and playing qeej
although these information can be useful for me in the long run, but I
am curious because an elder I interviewed claimed to have played qeej
at Lauj Kiab Toom's funeral. He, however, said he was no more than 72
years old at the time of the interview. Working backwards (Lauj Kiab
Toom died in 1935), it would mean that he would have been no more than
seven or eight years old when he played at Lauj Kiab Toom's funeral. I
was just exploring the possibilities of a Hmong boy of seven or eights
years of age being able to play at such a grand funeral already. If it
only takes about two years to master enough zaj qeej to practice
playing with a master qeej at funerals then what this man said might
be true indeed, and he did play at Lauj Kiab Toom's funeral.

Anyway, so now you know what I do all day long. I sit here trying to
establish people's credibility through outside sources. Not much fun
in that, but I do get my kicks.

-M